- My dear friends please excuse the language from these individuals this is a editorial about my first documentary, “The Real Hair Truth” from a blog called Hairbrained.me.
- Reply by Javier VanHuss on December 6, 2010 at 6:27pm
the only real hair truth here is that you are probably one of those dudes who has a couple buttons missing from the top of your shirt, peddling your industry “know how” through whatever book or dvd it is that you cooked up.you dont know anything about my payment formula, my in salon education program, or much else for that matter.this industry is much like the railroads of america, built on cheap labor that helps everyone for the greater good. sure, im using young kids fresh out of beauty school instead of chinese immigrants, but thats neither here nor there.the only thing really bringing me down right now is fuckdumps like you who try to tell everyone what the “real truth” is, when you probably dont have a fucking clue yourself.eat shit.
Permalink Reply by Michael Sean Georgianni on December 9, 2010 at 4:42pm
When I started just eight years ago, I assisted for two years with two to three other jobs to pay my bills. I did this just so I could get a better than school education. I’m just now opening my own salon from scratch. People booth rent mostly because they want to scam on their taxes and not take any responsibility as a group. As far as education goes, it’s your responsibility when you take a job, to see if it’s really being offered. I still buy food and everything else just the way it was first made up.So why shouldn’t I have the same payment structure that has be working for this long? Even before lazy, crying stylist who can’t promote themselves. It’s called business and if you can’t do it then shut it. It is very hard to get the proper training to be a great hair stylist and it’s very hard to own your own business. So the real hair truth is man up and get yours with pride. Just like the rest of us.
Permalink Reply by nicole ely on December 10, 2010 at 6:45am
I am sure there are lazy crying employees not matter where you work. Sometimes they are lazy and sometimes they are crying because of work organization and conditions. Wow! it is sad to realize that this seems to be the common thought about stylists on this subject. Hopefully, this is a statement of a few and not the majority.
I think sylists attitude can be directly related to their environment, pay structure and lack of benefits. Some salon’s take a large percentage of the ticket plus a large service charge on top of that. How this is managed is directly related to how attutdes are in salon’s. Why should syslists not push for the highest pay, best benefits and a well run business. Do we strive for this? No, it’s commission we want. Why not get the added benefits if offered? Some are offering and the one’s who can afford it are organized, successful work environments. I have felt first hand the struggle of a new business owner to get employee’s to work for little to nothing. In reality something appealing has to be offered, because the competion for good hairstylists is great. Don’t forget the noncompetes and lack of access to client info in case you decide to go elsewhere.
It seems desperate to make the statement that stylists are lazy freeloaders just because they don’t want to go into a businesss (that they don’t know) and be expected to build the business for nothing or on the hope they might get one of their three walk in’s a day.
Permalink Reply by nicole ely on December 6, 2010 at 2:37pm
One thing I found out about myself is that I was alot better hairstylist than owner and manager. That is why there are hair salon’s on every corner. Just because you are a good hairstylist does not mean you should own a business. There are so many out there starving for hairstylists and assistants. Not all of us are going to be an Arrojo and so on. If you are unable to get people to work for you at commission only, and you can’t pay people to work for you. You are paying an enormous amount for booth rent. 😦Permalink Reply by Todd Phillip on December 6, 2010 at 7:14pm
It really comes down to what kind of a business you run.If you are a new business and have little overflow of new clientele, with under capitalized business funding for PR and Marketing which would bring that flow to the table…I would have to say there would be no way to provide a “base guarantee”…I would never use the word salary as it is separate from a commissioned employee.With that being said the simple answer to such an applicant would be you would feed him when you can but he would need to be proactive in self-promotion and you as a business owner would need to give a better percentage on the commission…but no guarantee as that would be needed for business cost and development.
As for the statement said that the salon is responsible for 20% of the clientele,..It sound out of proportion but then again there are different business structures..if that is the case and the stylist is providing 80% of the clientele then it would be likely that the stylist would have a high commission percentage, and vis/versa
Permalink Reply by Javier VanHuss on December 7, 2010 at 1:10pm
so, what IS the % of clientele that a salon owner is responsible to provide? if the answer is above 50%, then whats the point of urging stylists to promote themselves?i opened a salon for one reason, because i couldnt find a place to work. bottom line. i never wanted to be an owner, and to tell you the truth i struggle with it. but im doing the best i can in a cut throat industry, where i literally have 6 competitors within walking distance.my initial question was because i am encountering a LARGE amount of applicants from Paul Mitchell The School (a couple miles down the road), who don’t even feel like they need to assist (a whole other discussion) and who think that they can make 100K in their first year out of school because thats what they have seen on stage.when i assisted, in like 2001-2002, you got hourly as an assistant and then once that was done, you were on your own. i worked for a chain (30+ salons) and that was the way it was in the entire company.
i had never even heard of salary for a stylist until about 4 years ago, when a salon i had previously worked for was paying stylists an hourly wage and that was it. no commission on top of that, and you were basically a slave to the salon. sure, great if you had a slow day/week but not much room for advancement.
the only other place i had heard of an hourly wage was Supercutz, etc.
Permalink Reply by JoshXO Fighting!!! on December 8, 2010 at 10:32pm
BWAHHAAHAHAHA….. wow. I have never seen such blatent Douchebaggery in all my years on the internet. Lets go ahead and break your post down now, shall we?It is very sad to see you profile picture matches your IQ, Business owners like you (wannabee) will not ever rise to the cream of the crop. Your listing on this site reminds me of someone who has to been heard and seen because of your lack of professional knowledge and talent. When did you start to become a writer, maybe you should try something else like cleaning toilettes which matches your mouth’s aptitude.. Well after a quick Google search I wanted to see what kind of work Mr. Kellner “Crusader of Hairdressers” actually does. A person I had never “seen” or “heard” of until he came to my favorite little corner of the internet and started peddling his piece of shit “LOOK AT ME!!!” project. HERE ARE SOME OF HIS HAIRDRESSING GEMS AND SKILLS EVERYONE!.
Sir if that is the best you can muster after 24 years of being a hairdresser I suggest you should be the one cleaning toilets. You should fire your photographer even though I like her sweet side pony.
I am an owner of 3 salons, Yelp search came up with 1. Unless you own a couple of Fantastic Sam’s franchises. 2 films ( all that have been in film festivals.) Your years in gay porn don’t count. bachelors degree (marketing), What did they teach you? To go on to community sites and spam every thread with pleas for people to buy your movie? Seriously dude go back and ask them for a refund…. I’ll wait. 24 years of being a hairdresser. It appears your skill set stop evolving after 10 years. It looks like around 1993 you just said “Fuck it. Im gonna do hair this same way for the rest of my life!” Congratulations dude you wasted almost a quarter of a century doing ugly hair. HIGH FIVE BRO!!! head of the Miss Universe pageants. There is just so much to rip on here about this dog and pony show that’s a cut-rate Miss America pageant, But, I think you just stating it made you look dumb enough. Lets move on. If you need to post a question to get the answers to a simple question you need to leave my profession.
Ya know broseph, THATS WHAT THIS PLACE IS ALL ABOUT. Maybe your to busy pushing your movie to actually read any of the content. But harebrained is a COMMUNITY where hairdressers should feel comfortable posting questions and having other people CONTRIBUTE with their experience and helpful advice. Something you obviously know nothing about. Here’s a link to all the discussions Kellener has replied to and how helpful He’s been http://www.hairbrained.me/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=lzkxf…nothing but peddling. Also please stop staying “My profession” if I am in “Your” profession I’m just going to start calling myself a racecar driver that happens to do hair.I thank you for your blog post and I will encourage professionals to see the example you portray to young professional, and veterans. I’m sure if they had a choice between being an angry fucked like Jav or an irrelevant hypocrite like yourself they would pick Jav.
And by the way I am laughing all the way to the bank everyday for the worldwide sales of my film Selling the backlog of copies that didn’t sell and were sitting in your garage at a flea market in Tijuana is hardly “Worldwide” We help people we don’t belittle them and we tell the story of the profession the way it is! Wow your original post to Jav is in total contrast to this statement oh the ugly face of hypocrisy.
Cant take the truth? Hit the road asshole. No you’re the one coming off like an asshole. Please get the fuck off the internet your just making yourself look worse. A portion of the proceeds from this Documentary will go to a Non-Profit fund for Hairdressers who cannot afford Advanced Education. Why not just give them a copy of your movie? If its as good as you think it is they could afford their own advance training. Perhaps you should keep all the money to yourself and go back to beauty school. Twenty Scholarships will be given out nationwide for licensed Professionals. Videos. Books, Websites, Laptops, and also Advanced Training courses. Seriously dude now your trying to hard. I really dont think with your education or thought patterns you could compete with this project. I poop out a super lowbudget show 3 times a week FOR FREE that I’m sure people get more out of than you little “Movie”
Go fuck yourself
Ps Brosef Kellener before you decide to get INFRONT of a camera again may I suggest
Permalink Reply by JoshXO Fighting!!! on December 9, 2010 at 12:54am
Oh yeah forgot this fucking gem
The Really Shitty Hair Truth from a fucking senior portrait specialist.
Love the yellow brassy tones there Broseph. Now I’m reeling LOLing about the “My Profession” thing.
Since when was under processed bleach at all professional?
And when typing LOL i really mean it. Some people just type it in text but when I read what you write then see the hair, I really am Laughing Out Loud. You’re the biggest joke and thank you for making my day!!
Permalink Reply by Jose Raphael on January 15, 2011 at 7:51am
Thanks’ ..”That Was Great!
Permalink Reply by Glynn Cathro on February 1, 2011 at 5:16am
Permalink Reply by Javier VanHuss on December 9, 2010 at 1:17pm
yes, you’re right. i AM a “wannabee”. i WANT TO BE a successful business owner, and as such i was asking for some feedback/advice. YOU are the asshole who jumped on the attack from post 1. i hope you have some extra toilet paper for that new asshole Señor Flowers just ripped you.
I don’t give a fuck about your “accomplishments”. people who feel the need to list stuff like that are generally compensating for the lack of something else.
im not looking to be an example to anyone. im trying to build MY business MY way. like Sinatra, or Tony Montana, but less ethnic.
you don’t know anything about my background, my education, or my knowledge. just because i don’t wear paisley shirts or pointy shoes doesn’t mean i cant cut a circle around walking fossils like you. but hey, thanks for trying to “help” someone new to a certain side of the industry. makes you look like a real hero, and totally enforces those “accomplishments”
Permalink Reply by Gerard Scarpaci on December 9, 2010 at 1:37pm
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